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occurred on the affordable healthcare act in congress when i was a member of congress bill rolled out and voted on and you saw all the republicans voted against it we believe now and we believed then it's unworkable and unaffordable. that he was why you see so many time delays on the legislation right now. i don't know if you met with secretary sebelius. why do you think. >> i did. >> okay. so why suddenly the -- you know, it's a crack calling you playing politics, southern governors, what provoked that do you think? >> you know, i'm not really sure. did i see secretary sebelius. and i know she has got a really hard job and i have talked to her many, many times as the chair of the national governor's association. each governor has it to do what they think is best for their own state. we all have unique circumstances. we all have our own political philosophy. and i choose, as governor of oklahoma, and as a republican conservative governor to do one thing. others choose to do other things. but, you know, i think you have to put the blame back to where it belongs. and that is who is it t
down. >> president obama promised you that the affordable care act would cut healthcare costs. we now know, that's not true. the most recent cbo estimate is that obamacare will cost more than 2 trillion over the next decade. a new report by senator tom coburn shows it will be even more than that way more. maybe even 31,000% more. how does he know? senator coburn joins us. nice to see you, sir. >> good to see you hard to understand. >> that's the history how good we are at estimating costs. you just take what the cbo said this year versus what they said when the bill was passed. we are now twice as much as what they said. >> you go back to 1966? >> no. i'm talking just about the affordable care act. a trillion dollars. >> that's 31,000%? >> no. well, that's a doubling of what they thought it was going to cost over the life of the program. the point is we are not any good at estimating costs and that's the study that we just put out that's up on our web site. it's showing here is what we said weather he we started the program and here is what it costs today's. in cases of medicaid 31,00
, but some of it is definitely the affordable care act and it's changed the psychology of healthcare that we really have to get serious about controlling costs and doing better for people by controlling costs. one of the places we'll see a big, big difference is attention to people with chronic illness. knows are the people who use the health care system. and the best places now are really focusing on them, predicting who they are, giving them a lot of services. i refer to it as v.i.p. care for people with chronic and mental illness. that will be the wave of the future. >> gene? >> zeke, last time you and i talked about the affordable care act, you said president obama should have appointed a ceo to roll out the program and make sure that it functioned the way it should. >> right, right. >> is that still a valid criticism, still your criticism? how do you think things are going now? >> it's not a criticism. in 2010 when we passed a legislation and i was still in the white house, it was a suggestion. look, the website and the exchanges are really an e-commerce business and need to be run like
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